[ma61turbo]

Ok, I need new bushes on the car. Currently debating as to whether I should just go OEM or whether I should go with aftermarket such as SuperPro. Anybody have any experiences with SuperPro bushes? Keep in mind my car is a daily, although I don't really care overly much about ride. Anybody with an S2 put SuperPro bushes in their car? For a number of front ones there are various options and apparently I need to go measure stuff to work out which ones I need.

[spiller]

From what i've heard/read, super pro do make a good product but they are pretty stiff. although many companies offer a variety of densities/compounds. I just recently swapped all of the front control arm bushes over in my JZA70 and went with Energy Suspension. I would highly recommend them, excellent bang for buck and the ride quality is great. Personally i wouldnt recommed OEM. Polyurethane is a far more superior material and lasts much longer.

[Darren]

Tough choice really.

OEM

Pro

Quiet.
Easier to instal.
Designed to deform in a controlled manner so makes the suspension work the way Toyota wanted it to.
More readily available.

Con

Will wear eventually but OK for at least 10 years under normal use / abuse
Not Cheap
Trailing arm bushes only available with complete component but you do get ball joints as well. This is the part that kills the wallet x 2

Aftermarket

Pro

Should last longer
Cheaper
Fiddly but not impossible to install ( dont forget to use the lube )
Keep suspension components pretty rigid ( sometimes good not always though )

Con

Trailing arm bushes are truly a turd to replace from all accounts.
Will transmit more road and suspension noise into cabin.
Usually within a couple of years will start squeaking when instal lube dries out ( can be reaplied ).

Im a fan of Poly bushes in things like sway bars but that is about all.One other bush that might be worth going poly is the steering rack bush according to US and UK sites as that helps increase steering feel. I havent installed any poly bushes on Supra but my leanings are towards OEM

[Yiros]

OEM all the way.

Mine are 17 years old and still going strong. I plan to buy a complete set of control arms (to keep as spares) but my wallet never seems to recover.

You will pay a premium for OEM but you will have 10+ years of trouble free driving. If your bushes are shot, then your ball joints are possibly on the way out also? I would find it strange for one to wear out and not the other?

Labour to remove the old and press in the new bushes wouldn't be pretty.

[PHANTOM]

talk to Brenton at fours n more. he recently did MADCATS rear cradle with some new bushes and was saying OEM are worth the extra. just a better product.

[ma61turbo]

Darren, on 10 June 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

Tough choice really.

<Lots of good info>

Im a fan of Poly bushes in things like sway bars but that is about all.One other bush that might be worth going poly is the steering rack bush according to US and UK sites as that helps increase steering feel. I havent installed any poly bushes on Supra but my leanings are towards OEM

Cheers Darren. Just the kind of info I was after. Hadn't though of mixing them up, interesting idea to increase steering feel.

Yiros, on 10 June 2010 - 10:26 PM, said:

OEM all the way.

Mine are 17 years old and still going strong. I plan to buy a complete set of control arms (to keep as spares) but my wallet never seems to recover.

You will pay a premium for OEM but you will have 10+ years of trouble free driving. If your bushes are shot, then your ball joints are possibly on the way out also? I would find it strange for one to wear out and not the other?

Labour to remove the old and press in the new bushes wouldn't be pretty.

Not surprising when your car is hardly touched ;) Mine is a daily with a couple of track days in the mix. No idea on the ball joints. I hope not, my wallet doesn't really feel like replacing the whole arms. Is there any easy way to test them?

Am aware labour is going to be a right bitch, and for this reason I want to do it right the first time. Car is now a few months shy of 12 years old and is running on all original suspension. If I can get similar wear out of another set of OEM bushes then I'll be happy.

PHANTOM, on 10 June 2010 - 11:19 PM, said:

talk to Brenton at fours n more. he recently did MADCATS rear cradle with some new bushes and was saying OEM are worth the extra. just a better product.

Yep, that's the feeling I've gotten after reading around the place. I've got to head in to Toyota this arvo to pick up a spare key I ordered so I'll get a quote for all the bushes then. I'm sure I'll faint and upon getting home I'll hit up the NZ mob or something for pricing.

Cheers for the input guys.

[Yiros]

Don’t bother with pricing form Toyota Australia. I did a couple of years back and I think it was about half the price of a NA Auto A80...

Go USA or Japan. I have the parts list somewhere. I can email you if you like and you can get prices for the motherland via RHD.

I once drove my car as a daily. Was about 7 years ago :D

[spiller]

Seriously guys OEM? I've rarely/never read/heard of a supra owner replacing their worn out bushes with OEM gear. Polyurethane is the way to go!

Labour will kill you because removing all the amrs and putting them back again is time consuming. If you can remove all of the gear yourself and them take them a suspension place to have the old bushes pressed out/new ones installed then that will cut costs dramatically. Pedders charged me 50 bucks to swap in all of my front poly bushes. In hindsight it was that easy I could ahve done it myself with a rubber mallet. I guess if your car is a daily then that makes things difficult.

quick way to test if your ball joints are shot - jack up the car and grab the tyre with two hands, one on top, one on bottom. Wiggle the tyre inwards and outwards. If there is play in the ball joint, then the wheel will move in this plane. Its called a "wiggle test", google for more info or take the car to a suspension "specialist" if you are unsure.

[ma61turbo]

Yiros, on 11 June 2010 - 12:04 PM, said:

Don’t bother with pricing form Toyota Australia. I did a couple of years back and I think it was about half the price of a NA Auto A80...

Go USA or Japan. I have the parts list somewhere. I can email you if you like and you can get prices for the motherland via RHD.

I once drove my car as a daily. Was about 7 years ago :D

If you could that'd be great. I've got the EPC on my machine but if you've already got a list it'd save me a bit of screwing around. Are S1's the same as S2's? The SuperPro part listing seems to believe they are different.

[ma61turbo]

spiller, on 11 June 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

Seriously guys OEM? I've rarely/never read/heard of a supra owner replacing their worn out bushes with OEM gear. Polyurethane is the way to go!

That's normally what I've seen as well, but I have seen a few advocating OEM over polyurethane.

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Labour will kill you because removing all the amrs and putting them back again is time consuming. If you can remove all of the gear yourself and them take them a suspension place to have the old bushes pressed out/new ones installed then that will cut costs dramatically. Pedders charged me 50 bucks to swap in all of my front poly bushes. In hindsight it was that easy I could ahve done it myself with a rubber mallet. I guess if your car is a daily then that makes things difficult.

Yeah, have the ability to dismantle the suspension and put it back together. May have to take a couple of days off work and put the car up on stands.

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quick way to test if your ball joints are shot - jack up the car and grab the tyre with two hands, one on top, one on bottom. Wiggle the tyre inwards and outwards. If there is play in the ball joint, then the wheel will move in this plane. Its called a "wiggle test", google for more info or take the car to a suspension "specialist" if you are unsure.

Like Pedders? ;) But cheers, that helps, I'll have to test it over the weekend.

[Yiros]

ma61turbo, on 11 June 2010 - 03:20 PM, said:

If you could that'd be great. I've got the EPC on my machine but if you've already got a list it'd save me a bit of screwing around. Are S1's the same as S2's? The SuperPro part listing seems to believe they are different.

I will send you the list. I will check to see if they are the same or not.

spiller, on 11 June 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

Seriously guys OEM? I've rarely/never read/heard of a supra owner replacing their worn out bushes with OEM gear. Polyurethane is the way to go!

That’s because most owners are too cheap.

TRD had a great range of upgraded bushes (rubber based) however these were discontinued as I wanted to purchase a set to go with my TRD Bilsteins

Sadly the Supra has fallen into the cheapo end of the market and yes, most people will go for the cheap option but not necessarily the best or proven option.

Like I said, my bushes have lasted 17 years and are proven to be a fantastic setup. When the time comes, I know what option I will be going - plus I can swap them out myself. Hardest part is cracking the ball joints.

[Yiros]

Attached is the list for series 1. Only some of these are applicable to the series 2.

Enter these part numbers into the "Part Number Applications to Model" in EPC to see which parts are for all Supras or only 93-96.5

Front Suspension Components
45460-19235 Tie Rod End RHS
45470-19065 Tie Rod End LHS-1
48610-19025 Front Suspension Upper Arm RHS
48630-19025 Front Suspension Upper Arm LHS
48068-14080 Front Suspension Lower Arm RHS
48069-14080 Front Suspension Lower Arm LHS
43211-24020 Steering Knuckle RHS
43212-24020 Steering Knuckle LHS

Rear Suspension Components
48770-19025 Rear Upper Control Arm RHS
48790-19025 Rear Upper Control Arm LHS
48730-14030 Rear Suspension No.2 RHS
48740-14060 Rear Suspension No.2 LHS
48710-14110 Rear Suspension No.1 RHS
48710-14110 Rear Suspension No.1 LHS
48780-14030 Rear Rod Strut
42304-14020 Rear Axle Carrier RHS
42305-14020 Rear Axle Carrier LHS

[ma61turbo]

Yiros, on 12 June 2010 - 08:49 AM, said:

Attached is the list for series 1. Only some of these are applicable to the series 2.

Enter these part numbers into the "Part Number Applications to Model" in EPC to see which parts are for all Supras or only 93-96.5

Front Suspension Components
45460-19235 Tie Rod End RHS
45470-19065 Tie Rod End LHS-1
48610-19025 Front Suspension Upper Arm RHS
48630-19025 Front Suspension Upper Arm LHS
48068-14080 Front Suspension Lower Arm RHS
48069-14080 Front Suspension Lower Arm LHS
43211-24020 Steering Knuckle RHS
43212-24020 Steering Knuckle LHS

Rear Suspension Components
48770-19025 Rear Upper Control Arm RHS
48790-19025 Rear Upper Control Arm LHS
48730-14030 Rear Suspension No.2 RHS
48740-14060 Rear Suspension No.2 LHS
48710-14110 Rear Suspension No.1 RHS
48710-14110 Rear Suspension No.1 LHS
48780-14030 Rear Rod Strut
42304-14020 Rear Axle Carrier RHS
42305-14020 Rear Axle Carrier LHS

Cheers Andy, appreciated.

I had a quick look at the EPC last night and it indicates that next to no bushes are replaceable, guy at CMI said the same thing. Given that, is there somewhere I should be looking in the EPC other than the main suspension diagrams for the bush part numbers? Looking at the S1 details seemed to show the same thing?

EDIT: I've just read that again. Mostly suspension arms, not many bushes there! Bugger. Anyone want a kidney? I think I'll just get a full set of SuperPro bushes, I really don't feel like replacing 10 suspension arms. Would be better off going a full Ikeya set for probably not much more.

[Darren]

My wallet just ran for cover :sorry:

I could always take out a 2nd mortgage I guess :lol:

[ma61turbo]

Well, I've generated a list of most of the bushes that I need to replace. There are a few other minor bits and pieces that are Toyota OEM items. If anyone is interested the following is a list of the SuperPro bushes to suit a Series 2 TT:

Front
Lower Control Arm Front - SPF1650K
Lower Control Arm Rear - SPF1651K
Upper Control Arm Inner - SPF1474K
Steering Rack and Pinion Mount - SPF1193-47K
Anti-Roll Bar Mount - ??

Rear
Rear Trailing Arm Sub-frame - SPF3269K
Lower Control Arm Inner - SPF3032K
Lower Control Arm Shock Mount - SPF3033K
Upper Control Arm Inner - SPF1922K
Toe Control Arm Inner - SPF3034K
Trailing Arm Front - SPF3030K
Trailing Arm Rear - SPF3031K
Anti-Roll Bar Mount - ??

I'm sure I should know this, but can't find the info at the moment(I seem to have lost my Google skills), but what is the diameter of the TT anti-roll bars? There is not a specific listing in the SuperPro catalogue for the Supra, just a choice of diameters as well as a mount height for the front.