[TheOldFart]

This probably fits into here better than the internal/external aesthetics portion of the forum.

The story so far.....somewhere around 4 months ago I (not my fault) blew the 2nd turbo on my 94 TT. I had the granddaughter in the car so I'm blaming her. I think, I have finally decided to rebuild rather than sell. My logic here is that whatever I buy to replace is going to cost me more than what I'm likely to get for a broken TT. I was thinking of heading down the Rexx direction but (as much as I like them) they just don't have the same street appeal as a supra.

I've been collecting prices and only have a small number of items to sort out but like all of us I would like some feedback on what I'm proposing. Comments and criticism is welcome as long as you are prepared to be ignored if I don't agree with you.

The Items so far:

1. Replace an existing set of 18" Momos with a new set of Speedy Wheels. Although my benchmark is a set of ROH Modenas I'm not prepared to pay the price considering I can get these

http://www.speedywheels.com.au/images/zoom/wheels/adrenalin.jpg

or these

http://www.speedywheels.com.au/images/zoom/wheels/envy-mk3.jpg

in 18x8 for the front and 18x9 for the rear for $240 a piece from freight. I might go to 19" but I doubt it as I have a very good set of Federal SS595s with only 5000km worth of wear on them and it seems terrible to waste that much rubber. Unless someone wants to buy them - 2 x 235/40ZR18 + 2 x 265/35ZR18. These tyres are as good as any I've used over the years (and I'm old!!!) and the only complaint I have about them is road noise.

2. A new body kit. I really like the Whifbitz but no one wants to make a replica so I'm settling for a Type 2 DoLuck front, DoLuck side skirts and a Trial rear. I would like to purchase the DoLuck rear diffuser but no one makes that either. What do you think of the Trial rear end? I can't convince myself that it isn't over the top but in reality it is very similar to the DoLuck Type 1 rear. I'll go for a TRD bonnet and TRD rear wing. I'll be purchasing most if not all from Viva Garage. I pent a small amount of time up there the other week and so far my impressions are very, very good. The hatch has got some rust and the rear fender has a colour mismatch problem so I'm up for a respray and ...well the new kit will need some colour on it as well. Any recommendations here are welcome provided the car stays white. Here are some pics

DoLuck Type 2
http://www.do-luck.co.uk/images2/jza80late1.jpg
http://www.do-luck.co.uk/images2/jza80late2.jpg

DoLuck Type 1
http://www.do-luck.co.uk/images/jza4.jpg

vs. Trial Rear
http://www.trial.co.jp/osaka/original/tryaero/images/jza80_2.jpg



3. Under the bonnet we go. This is where the great delimna starts. Do I go single or do I stay twin? I know, I know. I have already bought another set of twins for a temporary fix. I have always been planning to go sequential, hi-flow and steel wheels. This keeps the car as standard! as possible with regard to ECUs etc. etc. Yeah, I know I'm looking for the easy options here. Who's going/gone hi-flo sequential, who's going/gone single? I've solved the fmic/radiator problem. Has anyone dealt with HorspePowerInABox. Yep, a strange name but it works for me. They are currently offering a great deal on a combined PWR radiator/fmic combo that is selling way below normal retail. If you bastards buy them out before I get to it I'll be pissed off to say the least. I'll go the normal/extreme bit of chrome/polished aluminum (no I didn't mis-spell it, I'm like to source a lot of this from the USA and the colour under the bonnet will be white & red. You can bitch all you want... I don't care.

4. Exhaust. Can I have some ideas here please? Sourcing OEM stuff from Japan or going to someone like Exhaust Technology will end up costing me the same.

5. I have got the standard set of gauges, boost controllers etc to fit and I'm not too worried about this for the moment.

4. I will be doing the interior but I'm going to leave this for another time as I'm still trying to decide whether I get new seats or recover and I do need a new sound system. George.... you're on notice for this but it's not like to happen within the next 12 months. I would like to go down the Alpine or Rockford Fosgate direction, fibreglass removable insert into the boot, maybe remove the back seat as well but I'm trying to ignore this for the moment as it doesn't fit into the "I'm desperate category yet" I will come down and talk to you at some point. I'm usually driving past once or twice a week.


C&C welcome. Do not forget that I'm trying to achieve a good balance between $ spent and plus kw, looks, etc. gained. Remember, I don't have a signed, blank cheque book like most of us.

Tony :crazy:

[killa]

go the trial rear i have it and love it but IMO dont have a rear wing especially if your going for an aftermarket rear bar makes it look like a spaceship

[TheOldFart]

killa, on Nov 26 2007, 05:55 PM, said:

go the trial rear i have it and love it but IMO dont have a rear wing especially if your going for an aftermarket rear bar makes it look like a spaceship

i've never really convinced myself to go wingless. Another thought into the equation.

Thanks
Tony

[ultra_supra]

welcome to the slippery slope of Supra modification - once you start, it'll never end! :D

on a serious note, what you choose in the end is up to you. there will always be someone else with a different opinion who will dislike what you've done to your Supra. this little forum is a good example of that if any.

from a general styling point of view, perhaps something to consider is whether to go for the JDM look (jap street racer, drift style, etc), the more understated US drag style (almost no body kit, fat rubber and a big single under the bonnet) or to go for the Australian twist on the JDM theme (refer to Nissansilvia, Hot4's and Autosalon magazines).

1. classic 5 spoke vs multispoke +/- dish? no answer 4u there sorry. you may want 9.5 rears to fill out the rear guards more or choose a shallower offset (less than +40) with 18x9

2. i think you may have to cut the front bumper support with the Do Luck front bar so better check with Viva. nice kit though.

3. single vs twins - that's a very long debate (better create another thread! or resurrect the old ones).

big singles = Reaper, Relaxx and Silverocket
big twins = gold Supra up north found a bargain JDM GTE with twin 2835's and dropped it in. very expensive to do from scratch otherwise.
hi flow factory twins = Darren and Yiros
all turbo options other than US steel twins will require ECU upgrades / standalone

i have seen the PWR radiator + fmic on Morpowa's built 2JZ single, but it's in Simon's Sil80/S13 so dunno how it'll fit in a JZA80 engine bay.

.

[TheOldFart]

ultra_supra, on Nov 26 2007, 07:17 PM, said:

welcome to the slippery slope of Supra modification - once you start, it'll never end! :D

on a serious note, what you choose in the end is up to you. there will always be someone else with a different opinion who will dislike what you've done to your Supra. this little forum is a good example of that if any.

from a general styling point of view, perhaps something to consider is whether to go for the JDM look (jap street racer, drift style, etc), the more understated US drag style (almost no body kit, fat rubber and a big single under the bonnet) or to go for the Australian twist on the JDM theme (refer to Nissansilvia, Hot4's and Autosalon magazines).

1. classic 5 spoke vs multispoke +/- dish? no answer 4u there sorry. you may want 9.5 rears to fill out the rear guards more or choose a shallower offset (less than +40) with 18x9

2. i think you may have to cut the front bumper support with the Do Luck front bar so better check with Viva. nice kit though.

3. single vs twins - that's a very long debate (better create another thread! or resurrect the old ones).

big singles = Reaper, Relaxx and Silverocket
big twins = gold Supra up north found a bargain JDM GTE with twin 2835's and dropped it in. very expensive to do from scratch otherwise.
hi flow factory twins = Darren and Yiros
all turbo options other than US steel twins will require ECU upgrades / standalone

i have seen the PWR radiator + fmic on Morpowa's built 2JZ single, but it's in Simon's Sil80/S13 so dunno how it'll fit in a JZA80 engine bay.

Thanks for the input. The singles vs. twins is a mine field and so far I'm leaning to the twins. Most kw for smallest $.

I haven't even ventured into the suspension/brake side of the equation yet. I'll keep the suspension simple and probably go with a couple of braces. The bigger brakes are good value but don't come cheap.

Tony

[ultra_supra]

aftermarket twins with external gates will always be more expensive than the equiv big single due to two of everything (lines, etc). talk to Darren about his hi flow twins experience since he's just done it.

4. exhaust - go JDM bolt on. locally made will never sound as good at full throttle or be as quiet at idle. genuine jap exhausts are priced really well now with the AUD:yen. have a look at MVPmotorsports.com for examples.

our forum sponsors (Fours N More and Sinergy) will be able to bring in brand new JDM exhausts for you. otherwise, MVP will ship to you here (a couple of our members got their exhausts from Dusty). Trust, Tanabe, Apexi, HKS - i wouldn't get anything else.

6. i've already gone down the route of custom interior with all Alpine/Stinger equipment and it has cost me $$htloads. refer to thread here for pics: Alpine audio install
and it's for sale... :D


good luck with it all. you'll get more valuable feedback from our members by coming along to a cruise, pub night or the Xmas bbq. a lot more useful detail face to face with a beer in hand than online anytime!

[Damo]

nice choice of rims there mate, I was looking at getting the envy mk3 wheels for mine; but I want something more darker. It's so hard to pick out nice wheels for white cars!!

[Yiros]

Hi Tony,

Good to see that you have decided to keep the old girl.

1.) Rims - I suggest don’t go bigger than 18s. In terms of width, I would be considering no smaller than 9.5 on the rear. You can’t go wrong with the classic 5 spoke rim. There are so many makes and models – most 5 spoke rims suit the Supra (and they are easy to clean)

2.) Do-luck type 2 – Very Nice. I was planning to buy the side skirts and rear pods only. In the end I decided to stick with OEM. The Do luck is my preferred aftermarket choice.

3.) Trail rear bar – Not a fan but that is just me.

4.) Hi Flow Twin. Price to hi flow the JDM turbos is around $3,500. People say it is cheaper to go singe. I say BS (and I don’t mean our forum sponsor). Price of big single and manifold may cost around $3,500, and then you need to spend a shit load to fabricate everything else. Speak with everyone who has gone single and you won’t get much change out of $10k. Theoretical power from JDM hi flow turbos with associated mods is around the low to mid 300 rwkws (maybe more – we shall see).

5.) Exhaust – Go HKS or Trust or something straight from Japan. Do not buy anything local. No one in Adelaide can make an exhaust of equal quality and performance to match the Jap stuff plus the Jap stuff are a perfect fit. $850-950 will buy you a complete HKS catback system from Sinergy or Fours n More. My rear Jun cannon cost $750 by itself and my Jun muffler was $400. The welds cracked within 18 months. All fixed now but it shouldn’t have happened.

6.) Seats – Try and get your hands on some Recaros. Best seats every made for a Supra. I was going to get my standard seas trimmed in leather, but the Recaros are a much better option. New Recaros will cost $3,500 for a pair. You might be able to get a good second hand set for $1,500-$2,000.

Just stage the project accordingly. Install Gav’s old twins so the car is drivable and send your old turbos to ATS. They will take about 18 months to get rebuilt so you have plenty of time to save :lol:

Up to you whether you do the engine or body first. Depends which need the most attention first.

Just my 2c Tony. Do with it what you like. I won’t be offended if you don’t like my ideas and don’t be offended if I or others don’t like yours.

Great project and keep us posted.

Cheers

Andy

[Reaper]

Hey Tone,

Lotta questions - where to begin?

I'm no good on the body kit stuff, better answered by others.
Oh and rims for that matter.

Power route depends on power goals and what driving behaviour you have in mind.

You're auto so are you gonna build the tranny too? Will be 2500+ via MV Automatics depending on stally etc.

Conversely, just cap the budget and we can tell you how much power you can get for the buck.
If you are going hi flows you will still be in for over 10K no worries. People think it's just a few bits and pieces but to make the power safe and durable requires much more in terms of parts/planning/ and implementation (eg. labour). A good example is the oil pump front main seal issue - requires pulling the engine to get the oil pan and pump off so you can port it out etc.

Anyhoo, what do you want to do with it and how much do you want to invest in the engine/drivetrain setup?

Cheers mate,
GEE :cheers:

[MERCURY]

Nice choise with the kit! Would you get the bonnet as well? The Trial Rr Bar looks sick, just check out KILLA's or HARDY's.

Can't help you to much with the engine side of things as I havn't looked into the GTE in depth.

[killa]

id definately go the trial rear + wingless look

heres a photo of my car from a recent cruise

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslga9u/other/cruise.jpg

trial rear bar + blitz side skirts + top secret front bar and top secret vented bonnet

matt

[TheOldFart]

Just a quick note to say thanks for all the comments. Some I'll note, others I'll ignore.

I'm expecting to have some initial photos up no later than tomorrow and I'll document the progress.


:cheers:
Tony

[TheOldFart]

A couple of photos(4 to be exact) of what the car looked like and will never look like again.

http://tjv001.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p333657482-3.jpg
http://tjv001.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p200869156-3.jpg
http://tjv001.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p379036790-3.jpg
http://tjv001.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p302674720-3.jpg

I've started the rebuild today and although I've only done a small amount of work, I'm already amazed at the amount of gear that will have to be replaced or fixed or.....

It is starting to look like the car may have been involved in a minor front end at some point before I owned it.

:cheers:
Tony

[PK]

Nice headlights Tony! :bleh:

PK

[MERCURY]

Pics can't be seen? :(

[Nix]

Hi nice ideas for styling. What do you guys reckon the trial rear would look like on a red Supra with the diffuser part painted black?

Sorry to hijack the thread m8!

[Darren]

Damn you Nix, now I have to go for a different idea :sorry:

But Im still putting on a TRD style Wing and Euro bonnet scoop.

[Nix]

Darren, on Dec 2 2007, 12:23 PM, said:

Damn you Nix, now I have to go for a different idea :sorry:

But Im still putting on a TRD style Wing and Euro bonnet scoop.

Err lucky I didn't give away my other plans then lols!

[TheOldFart]

MERCURY, on Dec 2 2007, 10:09 AM, said:

Pics can't be seen? :(

Hopefully fixed. I changed the permissions on the gallery and for some reason the large pics cannot be accessed remotely??????

So.....I've gone for the smaller pics and it looks ok from my end.

:cheers:
Tony

Nix, on Dec 2 2007, 10:59 AM, said:

Hi nice ideas for styling. What do you guys reckon the trial rear would look like on a red Supra with the diffuser part painted black?

Sorry to hijack the thread m8!

N O :crazy: and thank god you haven't told us any of your other plans :D


Thread hijacker!!!!! :bleh:


:cheers:
Tony

[TheOldFart]

Darren, on Dec 2 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

Damn you Nix, now I have to go for a different idea :sorry:

But Im still putting on a TRD style Wing and Euro bonnet scoop.

TRD Style Wing - ok
Euro Bonnet scoop - buy a REX instead :crazy:

How's the rebuild going?

I'm dying to find out the ups and downs and most importantly wot you've learnt along the way. Pick up your thread and document.

I still haven't firmed up on my ideas and probably wont. But the comments I/we get are invaluable as it allows me to mature my ideas over time. You may not remember but I put the car up for sale approx. 15-18 months ago. It didn't sell. Surprised? No Glad? Yes.

I've been stewing over the rebuild for the best part of 4-5 months now trying to decide on selling vs. rebuild. There isn't a car out there with as much street appeal as the MkIV. There may be some very nice cars around (I'm tempted to go and buy an XR4 Fiesta for a daily car which has close to the best power/weight ratio going for the price) but you have to remember that the MkIV is almost a 15 year old car and it does have style. It also manages to out perform a lot of todays cars.

:cheers:
Tony