[PHANTOM]

i want to make power from my NA engine (2JZGE)

wanted to know if anyone has had experience with mechanics and dealers who could help

i am looking for 200kw at the wheels or more. from an NA engine

head work, big cams, intake, extractors and exhaust, bigger throttle body, cold air intake

and a piggy back or after market computer

i think this would be achievable, no lag, and reliable

[sootie23]

you wont get 200rwkw from na without spending a mega wad of cash!

dont waste your time dude, the car stock has 168kw at flywheel so 200rwkw will require possibly a stroker, major engine work!

just get exhaust, extractors, intake, afc, and a 75HP nitrous kit, much cheaper and easier

[killa]

like sootie said u wont get 200 kw atws on a NA engine sorry to say

exhaust extractors intake etc and a nitrous kit will put you into the more HP bracket

whether u want to go nitrous or not is up to you im thinking of doing the same thing but as to how safe it is for the engine over time im not sure

i might be going the transplant option next yr

[PK]

You would be lucky to get 150rwkw from an NA engine, without spending more than the car's actual worth.

Trust me.

PK

[sootie23]

for 200rwkw u will need

3.4 litre stroker rebuild
individual throttle bodies
standalone ecu
huge cams
port and polish
fuel support mods
custom headers
high compression motor, 12.1
PLENTY OF OTHER siht

thats over 20k in mods, = WASTE!

[PHANTOM]

is this coming from personal experience?

or someone elses experiences that have been documented?

200kw with no lag would be the ideal package, no lag, less legal problems and harder for SAPOL to rape me with

[Darren]

For what its worth mate if SAPOL want to rape you they will no matter what you have or havnt got under the bonnet, like Sootie said it can be done but its lotsa cash.

[sootie23]

the NA makes 120rwkw stock, give or take!

asking for an extra 80 rwkw is a lot, with 3-4k u can get 140rwkw and is not bad and it pulls nicely, not even in the USA has someone achieved what you want!

in japan they have fully modified an NA, take a look at this link, 400ps NA wich is 400hp. i doubt this car is streetable and probably requires race fuel and it has 313 cams!

http://www.socalsupr...nce/NAsupra.htm

its an NA engine, dont be fooled by the cam cover, this is a 2jz-ge engine with vvti so it doesnt have distributor! you can easily identify the engine from the radiator pipe

[Reaper]

Stealth NOS - done.
Be prepared to hand grenade it though?

hehe, just throwing out ideas, damn cheap too.

GEE

[PHANTOM]

well i dont get how a magna engine that is NA can make 250kw at the wheels

and a supra engine cant make it? half a litre different...it has to be possible it just needs someone to actually try and look things up and talk to others

[Darren]

silversoop, on Aug 16 2006, 04:58 PM, said:

well i dont get how a magna engine that is NA can make 250kw at the wheels

and a supra engine cant make it? half a litre different...it has to be possible it just needs someone to actually try and look things up and talk to others

I would like to see that 250kW at the wheels!!! There would be gearbox and siht everywhere I reckon. :P

[RZ TT 94]

Hi Mate,

Have you done any mods already?

Basically to start off with you will want to get an exhaust/extractors, for this I would suggest getting Marky from Exhaust Technology on Goodwood Road to help you choose a custom system. I would allow a minimum of $1200

Most people will then change the air intake of the car, this can be done also at little cost.

When you start talking big power ie. over 200rwkw you basically have two options...

SUPERCHARGING or TURBOCHARGING

The most effective method would be to do a NA-T conversion if you are very keen on keeping the NA engine. A full NA-T conversion will cost you in excess of $7000, this is the cheaper option. The only problem with this is you cant run very high boost on the stock 2JZ GE internals. A better (yet more expensive) option would be to pull the motor out and rebuild the internals with top quality gear so you can run much higher boost. This is very very expensive though.

I know its a cliche.. but its true. You are better off selling the NA and buying a TT mate... in the long run it will save you so much time, headaches.. and most importantly cash.

[sootie23]

the internals on an NA are just as strong as a TT, same block!, all you have to do is lower compression with a thicker headgasket to run higher boost! you dont need to go buy pistons, rods etc etc.

[TEFE]

Don't tubo engines have extra oil feed under the pistons??

[Damo]

the cylinder heads are totaly different,
the turbo block has oil jets.
you can put a turbo head on a non turbo block.
the oil squirts are to cool the pistons, some people say they get enough oil splash and are not really needed.

:sex:

[RZ TT 94]

like i said.. the internals on the GE can handle a turbo conversion safely at low boost. However when raising boost you will have issues on the stock internals.

[sootie23]

when you use a 3m headgasket on the non turbo motor, you lower the compression to the TT's specs. the intake manifold is different on an NA but is still very suitable to forced induction. the rods are the same in both motors, the block is the same, the TT's pistons are low compression pistons compared to an NA. the advantage a TT motor has are the oil squirters, but that doesnt matter much, as in the USA, dozens of ppl have gone NA-T and achieved upwards of 600hp on stock motor with the addition of thicker headgasket.

you can easily run 15 psi on an NA-T with lowered compression without touching internals, it isnt cheap for these kits, and then it requires installation and proper tuning,

but RZ 94 TT, your right, without touching the headgasket ur limited to 6-7 psi if safety is in mind, people have run 10psi on stock head but who knows what problems they had.

[killa]

i might be going NA-t within a yr

even though its costly least you can say i own a SZ supra modified to twin turbo

more rarer :bleh:

[sootie23]

killa, you cant install the stock twins from a TT onto the NA, different bolt patterns, it can be done, but a lot of messin around, an NA-t kit would be a single turbo setup, which will get more power than stock TT's anyway.

[PK]

killa, on Aug 17 2006, 12:25 AM, said:

i might be going NA-t within a yr

even though its costly least you can say i own a SZ supra modified to twin turbo

more rarer :bleh:

sootie23, on Aug 17 2006, 12:27 AM, said:

killa, you cant install the stock twins from a TT onto the NA, different bolt patterns, it can be done, but a lot of messin around, an NA-t kit would be a single turbo setup, which will get more power than stock TT's anyway.

Best way to get a TT into a SZ is to do exactly that - an engine transplant. But kiss your (presumably) hard earned $$ goodbye.

And you wouldnt be able to say you have an SZ modified to a twin turbo - Sootie is right, it would be a single.

PK